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nona — Mon, 20 Apr 2009 23:46:28 -0000

so what you are saying here is that creating $1 trillion out of thin air is a good idea?

(some will be paid for via taxes, and some via the creation of new government debt)

simple fact, dump $'s into the system...the $ loses value.

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dwinkle — Sat, 18 Apr 2009 13:12:09 -0000

You mean kind of like every person in the world who voted against their current leader? I don't think this is nearly as profound as you think it is. Why do you think Dems opposed invading Iraq under Bush when they supported it under Clinton just a year earlier?

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Stumbler — Sat, 04 Apr 2009 18:37:44 -0000

So how does this use game theory???

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DannyBoy — Sat, 04 Apr 2009 10:47:30 -0000

this is not a game theory matrix. if you added the democrat's position on the same issues- you could find the NE(s) and your dominant strategy.

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Emily — Fri, 03 Apr 2009 21:17:05 -0000

Republicans oppose the stimulus plan because they understand that sucking money out of the hands of American citizens and pumping it into the belly of an ever-growing federal government is a policy destined for failure. Its just basic economics. The number of Americans who earn 250k+ annually is not a large enough group to fund a multi trillion dollar stimulus package, especially because they (just like the rest of america) are losing their jobs left and right, thereby becoming dependent on the gov themselves. Its a self-perpetuating cylce of destruction and anyone who thinks spending money we dont have on shit we dont need is an idiot.

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Daniel Miessler — Wed, 04 Mar 2009 03:01:41 -0000

> If a republican supports the stimulus and it's effective, that would undoubtedly be a success.

But it would be a political victory for the Democrats, therefore to the Republicans it equates to a failure. This doesn't mean all Republicans want Obama to fail, just that the Republican party as a whole does.

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Some Honkey — Wed, 04 Mar 2009 01:39:30 -0000

This is nearly asinine. Any given republican politician's goal is to be reelected. If a republican supports the stimulus and it's effective, that would undoubtedly be a success. There isn't a republican conspiracy to sabotage Barack Obama, despite what millions of morons (who most likely watch the daily show and the colbert report) think. Also, the reason some people oppose the stimulus/bailout is because not everyone subscribes to Keynesian economics. Free market economists oppose the plan for innumerable reasons; the most obvious being the fact that creating billions of dollars all at once might turn an ordinary cyclical contraction into a decade-long depression.

And for the record, I'm an apathetic non-voter (although I'm a fan of Ron Paul); I stumbled on this page and was compelled to comment by the overwhelming idiocy of your theory that the evil fat-cat republicans are purposefully trying to ruin the economy so that they might be vindicated decades from now.

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Brosan — Fri, 27 Feb 2009 17:04:42 -0000

I'm not sure I follow the logic: "If they support him and he succeeds, they fail."
If I support the president & he succeeds, don't I succeed also? That would be bi-partisanship. From what I have read, the Republicans were locked out of the negotiations for the stimulus bill. Lamely, they did the same thing to the Democrats on major legislation when they were in power. This is Washington politics, as usual. Could Republican opposition to the stimulus bill be based on their beliefs for solving the economic crisis? Would you vote for something if your ideas weren't even considered? The Democratic Congress doesn't care if the Republicans are on board. They can pass anything they like on a straight party vote. This is not bi-partisanship. Bi-partisanship involves the art of compromise. I believe that making fun of a political party, either party, because they won't do what the other party wants, is ridiculous. Why have two parties if they have to think the same way? I truly hope our new president can forge an atmosphere of cooperation & bi-partisanship in the future.

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CarlM — Thu, 26 Feb 2009 08:40:34 -0000

Correct, Maxo. Grendel, like too many, you allowed those on the far right to tell you what the motivation was of those who opposed the war in Iraq. NOBODY wanted failure there.

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CarlM — Thu, 26 Feb 2009 08:36:12 -0000

... strange .. when I posted this I didn't see any of the other responses .. now I see a day's worth. (Sorry that I'm a tad late to the game.)

But that's not the only possibility. They could have admitted that tax cuts don't automatically translate into immediate spending in the same way that immediate spending translates into immediate spending. (From what I've been hearing, most economists believe that IN THE CURRENT ECONOMIC CLIMATE, tax cuts would not translate into spending in anywhere near the same way they would during healthy economic times.) They could have jumped on board and made it a bipartisan stimulus package. In this way, they could have stolen the thunder from the president.

I believe that by doing what they did, they have put all their eggs in one basket .. and if the economy turns around, it will be seen as turning around in spite of the Republican stonewalling. This will NOT be good for the Republican party.

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Maxolasersquad — Thu, 26 Feb 2009 07:26:27 -0000

And who hoped for that? I don't recall one public figure coming out in support of failure in Iraq.

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Steve — Thu, 26 Feb 2009 05:20:08 -0000

"So, not only should you not be rude when you correct people, but you should also be right."

i lol'd

but seriously, it's a cute and eerily accurate image!

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Bill Harrison — Thu, 26 Feb 2009 04:52:25 -0000

It is sad that a country considered, at least by many, to be a bastion of freedom and democracy, is reduced to being governed by groups (mobs?) of people whose primary concern is continuing or regaining their hold on power. This is particularly true in this current crisis but is a reality probably of any government. Governments are run by people and people usually have their best interests in mind.

How about a New Game.... the old one hasn't worked so well. A game where WIN is redefined. Lemee see... how about WIN being defined as restoring our economy - at least to pre-Bush levels. How about WIN including restoring our honor to pre-torture levels?
We need to change the paradigm. Redefine WIN. LOSE is easy to define - it's where we're at. I hesitate to mention that I am a lifelong democrat - that's a label that lends itself to defining WIN in terms of party. I also happen to be a lifelong American. I would rather define WIN in those terms.
The old games didn't work. Let's dump the checkers on the floor, turn the board over and see if there is another game on the back.
Or better yet, let's stop playing games and get down to the serious business of restoring America for our children.

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Grendel — Thu, 26 Feb 2009 02:49:40 -0000

but you can hope and plant for failure in Iraq and still not be anti-American..right?

intellectual honesty....so rare these days...

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Grendel — Thu, 26 Feb 2009 02:48:07 -0000

wow..reminds me of Democratic politicians for the last 8 years. Oh, but that's different....

Intellectual honesty, look into it....

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Daniel Miessler — Wed, 25 Feb 2009 23:26:00 -0000

Tim,

You can disagree with the stimulus without being anti-American, but you can't hope, and plant for, its failure without being so.

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Daniel Miessler — Wed, 25 Feb 2009 23:24:35 -0000

It's an unordered list style I came across a while back. Thought it looked cool.

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cooperati — Wed, 25 Feb 2009 22:23:32 -0000

Wow. First I'm a racist for not voting for Obama, and now I'm wishing the death of America in some sad pathetic partisan tantrum.

That is one hell of an insult.

Bravo.

-=T=-

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Will — Wed, 25 Feb 2009 21:31:36 -0000

you could use that rubric for any opposition party ever.

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JamesDSpencer — Wed, 25 Feb 2009 20:37:31 -0000

Considering that the GOP is now reduced to a bickering collection of racists, warmongers, corporate apologists, gay-bashers, and those still clinging to Reagan-era tax cuts as the solution to everything, I can hardly blame them for a strategy that's basically, "oppose everyhing, then punt!"

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Supernintendo Chalmers — Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:52:30 -0000

They DO hope he fails, dill-hole:

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com...

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kojak76 — Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:31:50 -0000

congrats; this is what I've been telling people; although I am completely opposed to the stimulus for obvious reasons.

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Griff — Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:21:07 -0000

Couldn't the same be applied to Democrat support of the war in Iraq? And along the same lines can't the Republicans later say they were against it first but then supported it in the event of a success?

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rock — Wed, 25 Feb 2009 15:58:50 -0000

Sounds like the Democrat position with Bush. mmmmmmmmmmmmm... When are we going to focus on what just works. All of them are corrupt bozos. Just a bunch of Clowns in position for way too long. Keeping money for themselves. Wake up and smell the Jo Joe.

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Johnnny — Wed, 25 Feb 2009 15:33:40 -0000

Agreed. This is definitely what's going on. The Republicans are now heavily invested in the failure of America.