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Re: Question: When Do We, As Paul Supporters, Switch to Obama?

CarlM — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 09:07:08 -0000

Arrrgh .. it's taking an underscore as instructions to italicize. The link is on this page (for now):

feed://www.news.com/

Title: In '08 presidential race, who's the most tech-friendly?

Re: Question: When Do We, As Paul Supporters, Switch to Obama?

CarlM — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 09:05:26 -0000

OK, that full link didn't paste correctly. Maybe with quotes? Anyway, it's interesting too that they were the only two that answered all of the questions.

"http://www.news.com/8301-135783-9864581-38.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-13-0-5"

Re: Question: When Do We, As Paul Supporters, Switch to Obama?

CarlM — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 09:03:42 -0000

I'm not sure if this will be seen by anyone since this thread is a bit old, but I find it interesting that in the following collection of tech-related questions, Obama and Paul agree on their answers to all but one question.

http://www.news.com/8301-135783-9864581-38.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-13-0-5

Re: Question: When Do We, As Paul Supporters, Switch to Obama?

Gil — Mon, 04 Feb 2008 23:34:36 -0000

Write Dr. Paul in anyway... NEVER give up... Revolution...

Good Luck to all...

Re: Question: When Do We, As Paul Supporters, Switch to Obama?

Burnviktm — Mon, 04 Feb 2008 15:43:25 -0000

I will not vote for Obama... and I will certainly not vote for Romney or McCain.

If those are my choices, then I will simply vote for the Lib candidate... I am in Texas and it will be red anyway. Anything that we can do to NOT lend validation to the existing primary parties and to illustrate out disillusionment is a good thing... even is some see it as a 'wasted' vote.

Think of it as a vote for a future election.

Re: Question: When Do We, As Paul Supporters, Switch to Obama?

Gary Moore — Mon, 04 Feb 2008 13:39:54 -0000

Why is it we don't learn from our mistakes? We don't have to look to far back to remember the effect Ralph Nader had on the outcome of the 2004 election. Those holding on to their support for Nader even when it was clear he had no chance of winning, literally handed the election to Bush. This country can't afford to make this same mistake again!!!!

Re: Question: When Do We, As Paul Supporters, Switch to Obama?

Theresa Jones — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 14:02:52 -0000

Ron Paul and Barack Obama are on the opposite sides of the fence. Mr. Paul supports and defends our Constitution. Mr. Obama ignores our Constitution and is a socalist. Why would anyone switch from Ron Paul to Barack Obama?

Re: Question: When Do We, As Paul Supporters, Switch to Obama?

Elliot — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 11:38:57 -0000

I'd support Obama if he had a discernible agenda. The man has NO experience compared to Ron Paul, and thus has to surround himself with advisors who tell him how to do his job.
He's obviously a very eloquent speaker and presence onstage, but so are actors. All I see is a movie character audition for the role of president. He spent the first 10 min of his keynote address at the DNC talking about his life and how far he made it and how unlikely a candidate he was.
His rhetoric is vague and to anyone who cares about REAL change from a candidate who knows what's going on, he is far too inexperienced.
When I see Obama go toe to toe in a debate with Ron Paul and keep up, I might reconsider.

Re: Question: When Do We, As Paul Supporters, Switch to Obama?

Dennis — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 02:46:51 -0000

I will still write in Ron Paul for president. just because he may not get the nomination doesn't mean I can't still vote for him.

Re: Question: When Do We, As Paul Supporters, Switch to Obama?

god — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 02:27:24 -0000

I would rather not vote than vote for a candidate that the media promotes. Ron Paul is the only active candidate who is important in this campaign. I will be promoting him and his campaign to the election day and voting for him.

After the election, if he wins because of a fair vote, I will be amazed. If by default from massive fraud, okay. If he does not win we will continue as a major political fundraising and activism force.

Your hippies have come back.

Re: Question: When Do We, As Paul Supporters, Switch to Obama?

John Galt — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 01:38:06 -0000

I will support Ron Paul tooth and nail until the Republican convention. I do this out of principle, and as someone mentioned above--if I gave up, it would be giving up on a movement, not just a candidate. If the GOP nominates McCain, and they probably will, I will vote for Obama.

I love Obama. But I'll be honest--I love the man, not the platform. I disagree strongly on many of his issues. He's wrong on some and simply not strong enough on others. You make take issue with me voting for a man, not a platform. After all, with Paul, I'm supporting a platform, not a man.

But today, there are few good men. The political field is crowded with corrupt, flip-flopping, status-quo mother fuckers. Damn near every last one of them. They have bad policy, but they also have bad character.

With Obama, I see a good man. I see good character. With Obama, I see a future for America that may not have my policies, but it will be open to my policies. With Obama, I see a Ron Paul Revolution continuing to grow, I see a battle of philosophy, instead of character assassination.

This I support. Obama fans, I cannot, and will not, dessert Ron Paul. But I have this to say: fight! Fight hard. Fight with everything you got. Because you MUST be Hillary. You must get Obama the nomination.

When the day of the nomination comes, I will transfer my support of the Revolution to a candidate that can keep it alive.

Re: Question: When Do We, As Paul Supporters, Switch to Obama?

Paul — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 22:54:38 -0000

If Ron Paul does not get the nomination, I will revert back to what I've been doing my whole life: voting for a party other than Democrat or Republican. I will then sit back and watch the continued march toward fascism and economic destruction that has been the norm for not just the current administration (although it must be said that it has accelerated the process in an unprecedented manner), but each administration before this one, be it Democrat or Republican. I certainly see nothing in Obama's rhetoric that would reverse the trend.

Re: Question: When Do We, As Paul Supporters, Switch to Obama?

Brian — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 22:41:27 -0000

I boo you. I will never vote for a person who I don't agree with just to keep another person I don't agree with out of office. The idea that such behavior is acceptable has permeated in the collective minds of Americans discontent with the current system for many years. I will vote for Ron Paul regardless of whether he makes the Republican nomination or not, I will gladly write him in. Some may call this a 'wasted' vote, but I must insist that the real wasted vote is the vote that we make for someone we do not believe in, simply out of fear.

Re: Question: When Do We, As Paul Supporters, Switch to Obama?

omelet — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 22:05:01 -0000

im throwing my hands up here, ppl just dont understand the media, political process, aarrgh. All these ppl saying, "ron paul speaks truth" ok good but RP will not get the nomination, Thus said, all you can hope for is a cabinet position. Will McCain appoint RP? you bet your dirty socks he wont. GET REAL rp ppl, vote Obama, the lesser of 4 evils. It is as south park said -turd sandwich or giant doushe. And obama is the SMALL doushe. dont let mccain or hillary win. Its called Frontloading, learn about it. jesus wake the fuck up.

Re: Question: When Do We, As Paul Supporters, Switch to Obama?

Jason — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 21:43:51 -0000

I never really did understand why liberals gravitated to a libertarian like Ron Paul. Now, the anti-war policy I understand, but he's for privatized health care, privatized education, the free market. He'd abolish the Board of Education, lift business restrictions, all things liberals don't agree with. I never understood why liberals liked him in the first place, let alone what they'd do now.

It seems to me that those who don't actually believe in Liberty will fall back and support who they think will win. It's those who will choose to stick with Ron Paul even though he never had a chance at the nomination who will define themselves as true Americans.

One should never vote for the candidate they think will win, they should vote for the one who they agree with. True Paul supporters will remain with him until the end, whenever that is. They will not let down their principles. Those who do should not have supoprted him in the first place.

Re: Question: When Do We, As Paul Supporters, Switch to Obama?

C. Damian — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 21:38:46 -0000

I'm not a Ron Paul supporter, and I never have been. I'm cautious regarding anyone who claims to be a strict Constitutionalist. The United States is too big, and the Constitution too old, to be governed by anyone who won't think outside the box. I admire Dr. Paul's dedication to freedom and anti-war stance, and I certainly think that we could do without the Federal Reserve and the CIA. The problem with Dr. Paul is simply that he would abolish too many programs and agencies that actually work and would work better with a little tweaking. Ron Paul would basically throw the baby out with the bathwater, so to speak.
One thing that I don't understand is that so many Ron Paul supporters would vote for any candidate from one of the two major parties once Dr. Paul's candidacy is officially non-viable. If you really believe in what Ron Paul stands for, you have a moral obligation to vote for a candidate that matches your views entirely, whether that candidate has a chance of winning or not. A protest vote is not a wasted vote. I'm voting Green this year because of their desire to abolish the military-industrial complex and end the failed war on drugs. Will a Green Party candidate be our next president? Of course not! But I'm not going to allow my vote to support a two-party system in which the two parties are virtually indistinguishable. I think that Ron Paul's candidacy is about REAL choice. Don't make a phony choice just because the real one is gone. Vote third party.

Re: Question: When Do We, As Paul Supporters, Switch to Obama?

omelet — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 20:01:53 -0000

i gave $60. to paul, even marched on new year's eve, but there's a point when you need reality. Florida had the blimp, and young ppl did not care, old ppl went out and voted for the old war-monger, or the (non lipstick lesbian) Bitch. Lets wake up. PPL only care about their football, jesus, world of warcraft, they are not ppl who read blogs, or have a brain, or understand deficit spending, or monetary policy. The masses will have to be on day two of starvation from flouridated water before the ideas of Ron Paul actually sink into their heads.

So figure it out fellow Paulians, it's either Obama, or some load of crap that will destroy us all.

Re: Question: When Do We, As Paul Supporters, Switch to Obama?

Gil — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 19:33:01 -0000

I'm with Rory in line 6. NEVER!

Re: Question: When Do We, As Paul Supporters, Switch to Obama?

Patrick — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 19:10:12 -0000

I will vote for Ron Paul regardless of whether he wins the primary or not. If he drops out, then I will vote for a third party, most likely libertarian.

I refuse to vote for Hilary or Obama, because neither offer real change.

Re: Question: When Do We, As Paul Supporters, Switch to Obama?

omelet — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 18:13:01 -0000

i have been thinking about this for two weeks now, and ive pretty much decided to vote for obama in the primary, whether its voter fraud, or just uneducated sheep, it does not appear people have accepted RP's message. Therefore, obama is the logical conclusion for an anti-war vote. (Gravel-noted, but aint gonna happen) It would be a grave mistake for this country to end up with McCain or Hillary. So im thinking Obama, he has a chance.
Please boycott fox,abc,nbc, just watch PBS!, its all you need.

Re: Question: When Do We, As Paul Supporters, Switch to Obama?

seeker135 — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:04:01 -0000

I cannot, in good conscience, vote for anyone other than Dr. Paul.

Re: Question: When Do We, As Paul Supporters, Switch to Obama?

Ray — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:02:07 -0000

It's important to keep supporting Dr. Paul at least through the end of the Republican primary, not because he has a chance of winning (that's highly unlikely), but because the more delegates he gets at the convention, the more his ideas will be integrated into the Republican platform.

Third parties have huge influence, but not because they can be elected (actually, that's probably a good thing, as it tends to drive 2 main parties towards mainstream central positions). They have influence because the only leverage available to mainstream candidates is in going after the uncommitted voters. Inveterate Demo/Repub voters require too much effort to realistically be drawn one way or another in one particular race (that requires several terms of stupidity).

I want to see the other candidates fight over Ron's voters. If nothing else, it would be an entertaining circus.

Re: Question: When Do We, As Paul Supporters, Switch to Obama?

John Lim — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 16:33:16 -0000

January 28, 2008

When I started this campaign more than a year ago, I was a somewhat reluctant candidate. I knew our message of freedom, peace, and prosperity was the right one for our country, but frankly, I didn't know how many people today would have ears to hear it.

Well, did I learn a lesson! Millions of Americans understand what ails our country, and what is needed to fix it. So, with you at my side, I am in this effort to win. Not only by building the ideas of liberty, but by getting the nomination. Our opponents would call that nuts -- you know, the advocates of more inflation, more spending, more taxes, more war. But let me explain why they are, as usual, all wet.

For one thing, for the first time since 1952, we are headed towards a brokered convention. Instead of a coronation of one of the establishment candidates, the delegates, influenced by the people, will decide. And I am afraid that this will take place in a time of heightened economic crisis. That means even more Americans will be ready to hear our message. But it also means I am really going to need your help.

One would never know this from the mainstream media, but we've only had a few primaries and caucuses, and even after the extremely important date of February 5th, we will still have more than half to go. And the Republican nominee will not be decided by the popular vote among the "leading candidates" in a few states also handpicked by the media. The nominee will be decided by the delegates. So let me tell you a little about our "under-the-radar" strategy to get those delegates.

On "Super Tuesday," February 5th, there will be 22 primaries and caucuses. I have a hunch that we're going to do very well. But, of course, the media and the rest of the establishment refuse to recognize that. It's the attitude of the small child who covers his eyes to make something scary go away. But we are not going away.

While the media focus on the couple of states they claim are important, we're competing everywhere. And the reason that we're able to do that is because of your grassroots support. You all are an asset that no other campaign has: donors, and activists who want no special deals from the government, just the Constitution.

We're competing very strongly in all the caucus states, and in all other states where delegates are up for grabs. And we're going to keep picking up delegates. Our strategy's already working.

And we're committed to winning states. I have little doubt that if we can double our efforts in this coming week, we're going to grab many delegates from other candidates. Then we'll start getting ready for the biggest moment of all - the convention in September.

The path to the convention is twisty, however. When we were in Iowa, we got 10% of the vote. But no delegates were awarded that night. That's because voters didn't directly choose national convention delegates; they selected the county and state delegates who will make that decision. And if another candidate like Mike Huckabee is no longer in the race at the time of the state convention in June, his delegates are free to support whomever they want. If we work extra hard, we can convert them into delegates for our campaign!

A similar thing happened in Nevada. We won 14% of the straw poll vote that the media reported on, but what they didn't tell you was that we may have gotten up to a third of Nevada's delegates to their county conventions! I always laughed when I heard some people say Nevada didn't matter. Nevada chooses more delegates to the national convention than South Carolina.

So, while the media will focus on the results from Florida, and probably take down the campaign of my friend Rudy in the process, those results are less important to you and me. Let them fight in Florida while we bring our message to Americans in other areas, like the economically hard-hit state of Maine.

We want to win as many delegates to the Republican National Convention as possible, even if other campaigns don't see some areas of the country as "important. But in this work, I need your help. Help me get many, many delegates to this historic convention, by these three methods.

Donate. Your generous contributions are essential if we're going to keep going until September. We need, frankly $5 million by February 5 to run more TV and radio ads in the Super Tuesday states. Your help means everything: https://www.ronpaul2008.com....

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Canvass. You can help us identify those who support our message in your precinct. You can help us to convert others, too. After all, your neighbors pay attention to you. I am going to visit as much of the country as I can, but I need you as my partner in your area: https://voters.ronpaul2008.com.

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ASK others to sign-up on our website. I meet so many people on the campaign trail who don't even receive my letters! I've told my campaign to make communication with you, the engine of all this, much better. But if people don't sign up for my e-mails, that won't happen. If you could just get one extra person to sign-up, that would be great. More would be tremendous.

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Help me by forwarding this e-mail to every other Ron Paul supporter you know, and urging them to join our efforts! https://www.ronpaul2008.com....

We've come so far, but now the fun is really starting! I have a feeling the mainstream media will move from ignoring us to attacking us. But that will be a sign of our success. Join me as we continue this great movement into year two, and to a hot convention in Minneapolis-Saint Paul. We can do it!

Sincerely,

Ron

Re: Question: When Do We, As Paul Supporters, Switch to Obama?

John Lim — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 16:27:50 -0000

January 30, 2008

We received this message this morning from a Ron Paul supporter in Florida. Because it is so important, we are sharing it with you, too.

I wanted to share my experience canvassing here in Broward County, South Florida.

As you know, Dr. Paul took 3% of the vote yesterday in Florida. A friend and I signed up on the campaign's website to be a precinct leader, and took it upon ourselves to canvass 13 precincts in Broward County. I'm proud to report that in the precincts that we canvassed, Dr. Paul came in second to John McCain.

That's right; Dr. Paul beat Romney, Giuliani and Huckabee. This happened with almost NO media coverage of Dr. Paul. It's particularly noteworthy, because Broward County is a stronghold of Rudy Giuliani.

We know of other Dr. Paul supporters in Broward County who were waving Dr. Paul's signs, but they did not do that well in their precincts. Sign waving does NOT get votes, BUT PRECINCT WORK DOES GET VOTES!!! Please do the precinct work in your area so that Dr. Paul will win. God Bless You.

Help us by signing up today to be a precinct leader in your area. If you really want to make Ron Paul our next president, sign up and begin canvassing right away. You're counting on Ron Paul to do his part, and he's counting on you to do yours.

This is work that any dedicated supporter can do, and, along with donating, is the most important thing you can do to ensure a Ron Paul victory.

Daniel McCarthy
Internet Communications Coordinator
Ron Paul 2008

Re: Question: When Do We, As Paul Supporters, Switch to Obama?

K. Johnson — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 15:20:27 -0000

How can one change his or her conscience? Ron Paul is the current embodiment of our ideals as free men in a fight against tyranny and oppression. There is no other candidate that supports that. There is no other candidate that seeks to abolish the enslavement of the American people by the Federal Reserve and remove us from the horrific consequences imposed upon our once great nation by the war mongering neocons and their CIA.

If we lose the battle for the Republican nomination, we fight again as independants. If we lose that, we should strive on for our ideals at the State level. Look at Texas and their struggle against the NAFTA superhighway, or Montana fighting Real ID. We can make a difference and we should never compromise.

The neocons will never give up and neither should we. I will only cast one vote this year for a new president and that vote is for my principles. If no candidate stands for that, then there is no reason to vote because it won't matter.