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dmiessler.com | grep understanding: Man Holds Someone Up at Knifepoint. Person Takes the Knife Away and Stabs Him. He Dies. The Dead Attacker’s Father Says, “I want somebody to pay for this.”

  • cooperati · 10 months ago
    "And to the father who wants “someone” to pay for this? That’s you."

    Perfect. Well put.

    As for the killing of an disarmed attacker, I have two modes of thought; that he has been neutralized, and that next time he'll be smart to pick an old woman to assault. In that instance, he'll be rewarded for his effort. So would a line of education built on a succession of exceedingly worse criminal violence, providing dominance almost every time, until this environment is saturated with this mindset, not only of one lone would be killer, but of thousands, those educated in being the marauders, and those educated in being victims.

    I like to say that a line must be drawn. I like to prove the line is where I walk.

    That father will pay, in regret, for not having shown his dead son a better way.

    -=T=-
  • Daniel Miessler · 10 months ago
    Tim, there was never an unarmed attacker. There were TWO guys, and they were threatening to kill him. in the split second between when he had a knife to his throat and when he grabbed the knife, there wasn't time to see the two guys (who might have more weapons) and were TWO people right on him, as *unarmed*.

    This was a flash counterattack against armed attackers. He never regained control in a calm environment, from which point he decided to attack.

    Big difference.
  • cooperati · 10 months ago
    Good point.

    Later on, I had to amend the thought, that even if he had gained control, it would only be temporary.

    However, we are becoming a nation based on these types of offenses, and it's becoming increasingly harder to defend ourselves. Imagine if the aggressor attacked with his knife, and the defender had a gun, and neutralized the aggressor, he is liable for the death of the aggressor. Such charges have been made in Britain, and we are increasingly looking towards that nation's policies becoming our own.

    -=T=-
  • brooksgarrett · 10 months ago
    Thankfully Georgia does not consider the "Continuum of Force" as it is known in "Great" Britain. Here, you may defend yourself or your home with deadly force when you fear for your life. That can be with gun, knife, or wicked voodoo karate. If a person breaks your door down at 2 AM (Enters in a violent and tumultuous manner) you may instantly use lethal force.

    In addition to these code sections, any person exercising this defense is immune from both criminal AND civil liability.
  • Glock Shooter · 9 months ago
    The victim's response was reasonable and necessary to prevent death or serious bodily injury. The threat was immediate (as opposed to imminent) and unavoidable. The requirements for lethal force were satisfied so no charges were pressed.
  • brooksgarrett · 10 months ago
    If the Murderer had just given up the goods ,this senseless violence could have been avoided. He must have been out looking for trouble... </sarcasm>
  • Jonathan · 10 months ago
    LOL, that's hysterical. I know you're being sarcastic, but that would seriously be a typical answer from a lib. They always say give up your bling and live to fight another day. I say, kill the thieving criminal now and save everyone else the hassle.
  • randy · 10 months ago
    I suppose then that my friends and I who consider ourselves "liberals" must not be typical. We strongly believe in a person's right to defend themselves and fully condone the actions of the would be victim in the related article.

    I would think that committing a criminal act is essentially an exercise in risk management. Until the risk of committing a crime outweighs the benefits there isn't an actual reason for the criminals to stop. In the case above the attackers judged the risk incorrectly and ended up losing one of their lives. Hopefully the cohort will remember this next time he considers robbing another person.
  • Jon · 10 months ago
    I totally agree. If the father is looking for someone to blame, he should take a cold, hard look at the way he raised his murderous criminal offspring.
  • brooksgarrett · 9 months ago
    Now the good news.

    http://bit.ly/URNvf

    Soon these events will cease. Only the criminals are allowed to have guns. It's for the "Shakes magic 8ball".... Mexicans.