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Re: Language: Ending With A Preposition

Steven G. Harms — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 10:38:13 -0000

The problem may come from a lack of understanding about the Low Germanic origins of English syntax ( and, as Jason noted, attempting to use Latin as formation rubric against which that language is applied ). What Churchill is really doing is abusing the phrasal facility of English verbs.

In low German or Dutch you can say:

"Ik leg m'n boek neer"

"I lay my book down".

The verb involved is the separable verb "neerleggen" meaning "to lay / set down"

Taking Churchill's example, the verb involved is not "put" but rather "put up with" As we lack a facility for turning "put up with" into a solid, single verb ( like neerleggen ), I'll use _-es, à la programmer-eese.

This is the sort of English which I will not put_up_with (the infinitive of the phrasal verb).

Re: Language: Ending With A Preposition

Jason Powell — Sat, 24 Feb 2007 10:20:37 -0000

It's perfectly legitimate to end with a preposition (many times). The rule is mostly a myth when applied to English and likely stems from a time when English was taught with the more formal structure of Latin in mind. That said...

A couple from Georgia and a couple from the Northeast were seated side by
side on an airplane.

The girl from Georgia, being friendly and all, said, "So, where y'all
from?"

The Northeast girl said, "From a place where they know better than to use a
preposition at the end of a sentence."

The girl from Georgia sat quietly for a few moments and then replied:
"So, where y'all from, bitch?"

Re: Language: Ending With A Preposition

Tim — Sat, 24 Feb 2007 08:38:04 -0000

I find that most people don't give a crap about dangling prepositions anymore, but if I were to find myself around people that care about such things, I'd probably completely change the phrase so it sounds right:

"I will not put up with this sort of English."