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Re: Dave Winer and the Gnomedex Incident

Daniel Miessler — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 09:15:32 -0000

@Dave Winer

That's fair enough, Dave. And I accept that everyone's not perfect. I just wanted to point out my frustration with the whole thing -- just as an observer. You mention that Jason ran a campaign on the Internet; well I think my post reflects the fact that he seems to have run a successful one. Whether that means he was wrong and misrepresented things or was right -- meh...who's to say? I just called it like I saw it.

Ultimately I just hope that things quiet down and people keep inviting you to conferences. And anything you can do to help that come to pass is a win for the blogosphere in general. Your input into the subjects that we all care about is invaluable.

Re: Dave Winer and the Gnomedex Incident

Dave Winer — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 08:18:10 -0000

There are as many different views as there are people.

From my point of view, a lot of people were talking back to Jason.

He could have engaged us in a discussion, and we would have all come out ahead. He didn't, his choice, no big deal.

Then he did was Jason always does, ran a campaign on the Internet.

You've got the order wrong on some of the posts, but no matter. I did what Chris did, for the first two days, I drove home from Seattle to Berkeley. While I was traveling, Jason was posting nasty stuff about me continuosly. Somehow you've overlooked that in your analysis. That's okay, it's your point of view, but remember there are others.

Like everyone else, I try to do the best I can.

Re: Dave Winer and the Gnomedex Incident

Daniel Miessler — Wed, 22 Aug 2007 16:50:59 -0000

It does make sense, yes. Oh well -- many great people are hard to get along with. I guess he's just one of them.

Re: Dave Winer and the Gnomedex Incident

anonymous jacka** — Wed, 22 Aug 2007 15:44:05 -0000

it's pretty common knowledge that dave winer can be a jackass. i experienced it myself. i've had a couple of reporters who have interviewed him say the same thing. he's very passionate about his worldview. but it's a pretty dave winer-centric world view that's not open to debate or alteration. i found him to be one of those folks who build the tools for people like himself, and then get pissy when folks don't use the tools like he uses them...if that makes sense.

Re: Dave Winer and the Gnomedex Incident

Steven G. Harms — Wed, 22 Aug 2007 07:19:50 -0000

I'm in no way familiar with this story, but for party A ( usually a party of Jewish or NYC heritage ) to call party B a "mensch" ( indeed Yiddish aka Hebrew+German for man ) is to assert a certain level of benevolence, of rising above it all. Of being a swell guy.

"To show that there were no hard feelings he sent Party A a donkey, saying that a memento of his jackassery was appropriate."
"[Laughing] What a mensch!"

I'm probably mangling some of the subtler parts of the word but it's something to note.