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Re: A Look at Obama’s View on Gun Control

markdudlik — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 02:39:58 -0000

I don't know if you watch the show 30days on FX, but this week is about Gun Control. (s03e05 for the torrent users in the building)

Re: A Look at Obama’s View on Gun Control

cooperati — Sun, 29 Jun 2008 12:04:07 -0000

one rule of observing politicians it to "watch both hands." on the one hand they will have you agreeing with them by saying the most basic common denominator that no one can oppose, and then on the other hand they sign into law a bill with addendums and provisos that are either barely related to the issue of the law, or that are at complete odds with the issue.

be wary of the salesman selling what you already own.

it isn't the government's right to ask you to keep guns out of childrens' hands, because, ultimately, they can't. it's our responsibility to keep children safe. all the government can do is restrict access to the legal buyer to the point where a single shot pistol without a firing pin is the only remaining vestige of our second amendment rights, and keep raising license fees and fines, and imprisonment penalties for those who breach every new law the bureaucracy enacts.

all that comes after the child or such has obtained the weapon and discharged it in whatever direction they saw fit (without supervision or training in the lethal respect they must acknowledge in the education of firearms and marksmanship). all the fees, citations, fines, penalties, and imprisonments happens AFTER someone gets shot.

so, who can keep guns out of the kids' hands? we do, not the government, with or without coercion or threat of any variety. (remember this also stands as a model for other rights, where we as citizens can live under duress of oppression by restricting any "inalienable" rights we now possess.)

tax cattle

in fact, the bureaucracy benefits from our lax responsibility. when we pay a fine, or buy a license, and they have gone up, the government gets more money. that money goes into various organizations, some of which are private, and may be in the form of subsidies to many other groups, pro or against gun ownership, and maybe even into the offices of politicians campaign funds. there is a real culprit for motivation more than the welfare of children, which is incredibly being taken more out of parents' hands than ever, and even used against them, in certain populations.

i am pro-gun ownership, but before that, i am pro-responsible gun ownership, the first tenets of which includes that i am the first line of defense of my rights and the rights of my kin. to rely on other parties is to neglect my responsibilities.

no government will replace me (or change me) in this respect, or many others.

-=T=-

Re: A Look at Obama’s View on Gun Control

Daniel Miessler — Sun, 29 Jun 2008 11:13:35 -0000

Agreed.

Re: A Look at Obama’s View on Gun Control

Dave Largo — Sat, 28 Jun 2008 11:53:23 -0000

The problem with any gun law is that it is virtually impossible to get criminals to follow them.

And yes, I am a card-carrying NRA member. My guns are locked up when children are around and when mine get old enough I will teach them common sense gun safety.

Obama and the Democrats in general (there are some pro-gun Dems) scare me because despite all their talk it's their actions that demonstrate their anti-gun policies.

Re: A Look at Obama’s View on Gun Control

CarlM — Sat, 28 Jun 2008 10:42:24 -0000

Children use guns all the time. It's not uncommon to see the "his first time hunting" story on the "news" during hunting season.

In any case, you claim that it's illegal for children to have guns. This may be true in some states. Maybe it's true in all states. I don't know. Still, children have more or less the same right to free speech that you and I have, so perhaps constitutional rights extend to children. If so, and if gun ownership is a constitutional right, then explicitly expressing a belief that children shouldn't have guns is not such an illogical thing.